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NDM8759 Peredur Owen Griffiths (South Wales East)

To propose that the Senedd:

Notes the report of the Finance Committee ’Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations’ laid in the Table Office on 14 October 2024.

Note: The response of the Welsh Government was laid in the Table Office on 25 November 2024.

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NDM8759 Peredur Owen Griffiths (South Wales East)

To propose that the Senedd:

Notes the report of the Finance Committee ’Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations’ laid in the Table Office on 14 October 2024.

Note: The response of the Welsh Government was laid in the Table Office on 25 November 2024.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Supporting documents:

FIN(6)-18-24 P5 – Draft report

9.1 The Committee considered the draft report and agreed it with minor changes.

Supporting documents:

FIN(6)-16-24 P4 – Council of the Federation, Canada: Written evidence

FIN(6)-16-24 P5 – Key issues paper

8.1 The Committee noted the letter from the Council of the Federation and considered the key issues paper.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

6.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Cabinet Office with additional questions that weren’t reached during the evidence session.

Rebecca Evans MS, Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Cabinet Office

Sarah Govier, Head of Intergovernmental Relations, Welsh Treasury

Julian Revell, Head of Fiscal Analysis, Welsh Treasury

Supporting documents:

FIN(6)-15-24 P1 – Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Cabinet Office – Evidence paper

Senedd Research Brief

3.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Rebecca Evans MS, Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Cabinet Office; Sarah Govier, Head of Intergovernmental Relations, Welsh Treasury; and Julian Revell, Head of Fiscal Analysis, Welsh Treasury.

Ed Poole, Senior Lecturer, Wales Governance Centre (Wales Fiscal Analysis)

Supporting documents:

Senedd Research Brief

3.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Dr Ed Poole, Senior Lecturer, Wales Governance Centre (Wales Fiscal Analysis).

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Sir Paul Silk, former Clerk at both the House of Commons and Senedd Cymru

Paul Evans, former Clerk of Committees in the House of Commons

Supporting documents:

Senedd Research Brief

8.1. The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Sir Paul Silk, former Clerk at both the House of Commons and Senedd Cymru; and Paul Evans, former Clerk of Committees in the House of Commons.

9.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

4.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Shona Robison MSP, Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, Scottish Government

David Stevenson, Head of Fiscal Coordination Unit, Scottish Government

Ben Kerfoot, Fiscal Coordination Unit, Scottish Government

Supporting documents:

FIN(6)-12-24 P1 - Background paper from the Scottish Government

Senedd Research Brief

2.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Shona Robison MSP, Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, Scottish Government.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Dr Paul Anderson, Senior Lecturer in Politics at Liverpool John Moores University

Supporting documents:

FIN(6)-10-24 P1 – Dr Paul Anderson: Consultation response

Senedd Research Brief

4.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Dr Paul Anderson, Senior Lecturer in Politics at Liverpool John Moores University.

Professor Nicola McEwen, Director of the Centre for Public Policy at the University of Glasgow

Professor Michael Kenny, Director at Bennett Institute for Public Policy, University of Cambridge

Supporting documents:

Senedd Research Brief

3.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Professor Nicola McEwen, Director of the Centre for Public Policy at the University of Glasgow; and Professor Michael Kenny, Director at Bennett Institute for Public Policy, University of Cambridge.

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Gareth Davies, Comptroller and Auditor General, National Audit Office

Lee Summerfield, Director of Investigations, National Audit Office

Supporting documents:

Investigation into devolved funding (2019) – National Audit Office report

Senedd Research Brief

3.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Gareth Davies, Comptroller and Auditor General, National Audit Office; and Lee Summerfield, Director of Investigations, National Audit Office.

3.2 The National Audit Office agreed to provide a note on the following:

·         Details regarding the deficits faced by Health Boards in England that were written off by HM Treasury.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

5.2 The Committee agreed to write to Philip Rycroft with some additional questions regarding fiscal intergovernmental relations.

Philip Rycroft, Member of the Independent Commission on the Constitutional Future of Wales

Supporting documents:

FIN(6)-08-24 P1 – Consultation response: Dr Paul Anderson

Senedd Research Brief

3.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Philip Rycroft, Member of the Independent Commission on the Constitutional Future of Wales.

Supporting documents:

FIN(6)-20-23 P4 - Scoping Paper

4.1 The Committee considered the scoping paper on the inquiry into Intergovernmental Relations and agreed the terms of reference, and approach to the consultation.