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NDM8356 Welsh Conservatives Debate - The health budget

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Meeting: 20/09/2023 - Plenary (Item 7)

Welsh Conservatives Debate - The health budget

NDM8356 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes the First Minister’s claims that Welsh public services must make cuts due to a £900m shortfall during this financial year.

2. Recognises that the Welsh Government has received record levels of funding from the UK Government in recent years.

3. Regrets that despite the Welsh Government receiving 20 per cent more to spend per person on health in Wales than spending per person on health in England, not all of that funding is being currently being allocated to the Welsh NHS.

4. Calls on the Welsh Government to ensure the health budget is protected from any further cuts during the current financial year.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes the First Minister’s claims that Welsh public services must make cuts due to a real terms £900m inflationary shortfall since the spending review in 2021.

2. Believes that Westminster Governments have failed to provide Wales with fair and adequate funding since the dawn of devolution.

3. Regrets the Welsh Government’s failure to foresee and prepare for these financial difficulties.

4. Regrets the lack of opportunities provided to the Senedd by the Welsh Government to scrutinise any proposed cuts.

5. Calls on the Welsh Government to protect funding for all front line services, including the NHS.

If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be de-selected.

Amendment 2 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1.    Notes that at the UK Spring Budget, the Welsh Government Budget for 23/24 was worth £900m less than expected at the time of the UK Spending Review in 2021.

2.    Regrets the impact on Wales of the mismanagement of the UK economy and public finances by successive UK Conservative governments.

3.    Calls on the Chancellor of the Exchequer to invest in public services, including the NHS, and public infrastructure in the Autumn Statement, ensuring Wales receives its fair share of consequential funding.

Minutes:

The item started at 16.53

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:

NDM8356 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes the First Minister’s claims that Welsh public services must make cuts due to a £900m shortfall during this financial year.

2. Recognises that the Welsh Government has received record levels of funding from the UK Government in recent years.

3. Regrets that despite the Welsh Government receiving 20 per cent more to spend per person on health in Wales than spending per person on health in England, not all of that funding is being currently being allocated to the Welsh NHS.

4. Calls on the Welsh Government to ensure the health budget is protected from any further cuts during the current financial year.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

14

0

38

52

The motion without amendment was not agreed.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes the First Minister’s claims that Welsh public services must make cuts due to a real terms £900m inflationary shortfall since the spending review in 2021.

2. Believes that Westminster Governments have failed to provide Wales with fair and adequate funding since the dawn of devolution.

3. Regrets the Welsh Government’s failure to foresee and prepare for these financial difficulties.

4. Regrets the lack of opportunities provided to the Senedd by the Welsh Government to scrutinise any proposed cuts.

5. Calls on the Welsh Government to protect funding for all front line services, including the NHS.

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

12

0

40

52

Amendment 1 was not agreed.

Amendment 2 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1.    Notes that at the UK Spring Budget, the Welsh Government Budget for 23/24 was worth £900m less than expected at the time of the UK Spending Review in 2021.

2.    Regrets the impact on Wales of the mismanagement of the UK economy and public finances by successive UK Conservative governments.

3.    Calls on the Chancellor of the Exchequer to invest in public services, including the NHS, and public infrastructure in the Autumn Statement, ensuring Wales receives its fair share of consequential funding.

A vote was taken on amendment 2:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

38

0

14

52

Amendment 2 was agreed.

A vote was taken on the motion as amended:

NDM8356 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

1.    Notes that at the UK Spring Budget, the Welsh Government Budget for 23/24 was worth £900m less than expected at the time of the UK Spending Review in 2021.

2.    Regrets the impact on Wales of the mismanagement of the UK economy and public finances by successive UK Conservative governments.

3.    Calls on the Chancellor of the Exchequer to invest in public services, including the NHS, and public infrastructure in the Autumn Statement, ensuring Wales receives its fair share of consequential funding.

A vote was taken on amendment 2:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

37

0

15

52

The motion as amended was agreed.