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NDM8282 Welsh Conservatives Debate - Accounting practices at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board

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Meeting: 07/06/2023 - Plenary (Item 6)

Welsh Conservatives Debate - Accounting practices at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board

NDM8282 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Believes that the Ernst & Young forensic report of accounting issues at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board should be published in full and be in the public domain.

2. Calls upon Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board to publish the Ernst & Young report.

3. Requests, given the findings in the Ernst & Young report, that a wider and independent review be undertaken to provide assurances that:

a) the practices identified at the Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board are not happening in other NHS organisations in Wales; and

b) financial years prior to those reviewed by Ernst & Young were not affected by similar practices.

The following amendment was tabled:

Amendment 1 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1.    Recognises the significant interest in the Ernst & Young forensic report of accounting issues at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board and notes calls for it to be published.

2.    Notes that Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board is progressing the management of the issues raised in the Ernst & Young report in line with existing procedures and policies and is seeking legal advice re its publication.

3.    Notes the role of Audit Wales in providing assurance on the management of public money and the WG intention to undertake a lessons learnt exercise and disseminate its findings across NHS organisations.

Minutes:

The item started at 16.07

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:

NDM8282 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Believes that the Ernst & Young forensic report of accounting issues at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board should be published in full and be in the public domain.

2. Calls upon Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board to publish the Ernst & Young report.

3. Requests, given the findings in the Ernst & Young report, that a wider and independent review be undertaken to provide assurances that:

a) the practices identified at the Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board are not happening in other NHS organisations in Wales; and

b) financial years prior to those reviewed by Ernst & Young were not affected by similar practices.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

24

0

25

49

As required by Standing Order 6.20 the Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the motion. Therefore, the motion was not agreed.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1.    Recognises the significant interest in the Ernst & Young forensic report of accounting issues at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board and notes calls for it to be published.

2.    Notes that Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board is progressing the management of the issues raised in the Ernst & Young report in line with existing procedures and policies and is seeking legal advice re its publication.

3.    Notes the role of Audit Wales in providing assurance on the management of public money and the WG intention to undertake a lessons learnt exercise and disseminate its findings across NHS organisations.

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

24

0

25

49

As required by Standing Order 6.20 the Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the amendment. Therefore, the amendment was not agreed.

As the Senedd did not agree the motion without amendment, and did not agree the amendment tabled to the motion, the motion was therefore not agreed.